9/16/2009 5:00:00 AM
Pelmear talks about Hp2g motor at VW Rotary
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| Kirk Dougal/Times Bulletin Doug Pelmear, inventor of the Hp2g motor, speaks to a room full of people at the Van Wert Rotary Club meeting Tuesday. |
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BY KIRK DOUGAL
Times Bulletin Editor
kdougal@timesbulletin.com
VAN WERT - The Van Wert Rotary Club meeting at Willow Bend Country Club on Tuesday was packed as members and guests attended to listen to Doug Pelmear speak.
Pelmear is the inventor of the Hp2g motor which he says will revolutionize how the world looks at automobiles. The motor is now in a 1987 Ford Mustang and produces 400 horsepower at 500 ft./lbs. of torque on E85 fuel. As reported in the Times Bulletin previously, despite this drag car-like performance, Pelmear has also documented the motor achieving 110 mpg on a trip to Las Vegas for a car show.
For those who have been following his progress, he gave an update on the performance of the motor. While at an auto show in Washington D.C., Pelmear reported that the HP2G motor achieved 90 mpg. The difference in the mileage was explained by revealing that he and his crew drive the car to the auto shows. As such it was loaded down with multiple people, luggage, tools and their show equipment. Also, while at the show, the car was in an outdoor display area so it sat running at an idle for up to 12 hours so that visitors could hear it running.
Conversely, Pelmear recently allowed NBC News and a car manufacturer to put it through its paces, though he declined to say which manufacturer. During that test, he loaded the car as if it was on a normal commute to work. At that time, the car reached just under 137 mpg. EPA emission tests also showed that the car is emitting about 1/3 of what the Obama Administration wants other autos to cut back to by 2016.
Pelmear reported that he had received his U.S. patents but that he was still working on his international patent protection. He also pointed out that one of his other inventions was completely financing the Hp2g project, that he had not needed to take in outside investors at this time. Pelmear has also met with POET, one of the world's largest producers of ethanol, who also has a facility in Putnam County.
During the question-and-answer segment, he was asked about his goal for the motor. Did he intend to perfect it so that he could sell the technology to a car producer like Ford or GM or even one of the oil companies? He laughed and shook his head.
"If I was going where money talks, I'd already have been sold," said Pelmear. "I've been offered more money than you could ever believe."
But that does not stop people from attempting to buy his invention. He said that he had been contacted again just on Monday by Chinese investors wanting to take the technology overseas. But Pelmear said his goals are much bigger than merely money.
"I put this up as being bigger than just myself," he added. "What are we teaching our kids if we sell out? I think there is a bigger issue than money. Northwest Ohio is where I've kind of planted myself and that's what we are moving in, why we are even here."
But not everything has gone easily or well. Pelmear reported that there have been attempted break-ins at his facility in Wauseon. He has also received threats against him and his work. In fact, with Pelmear at the meeting was not only Mark Schnitkey, his Business Development Director, but also a bodyguard. Pelmear reluctantly admitted that the situation really had come to that level.
Despite these conditions, Pelmear said that he has orders for about 300,000 motors. The next step is to not only ramp up production but to also get the after-market centers up and running around the United States.
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Posted: Monday, January 04, 2010
Article comment by:
The doctor
The only real independant test I am aware of by NBC news only achieved 50 mpg. By now you know its only a cylinder deactivation variant with an electric motor acting to smooth out the power pulses. SO, on one cylinder he can get 100 mpg, but at 400 hp he gets less than 10 mpg. The 1/3 emissions is due to inactive cylinders pumping air to dilute the exhaust ( just like an old smog pump). All smoke and mirrors.
Posted: Friday, October 30, 2009
Article comment by:
Rob
Thermodynamics is unnecessary to disprove his claims, all that's needed is to know the best possible coefficient of rolling resistance for available tires and the drag coefficient of a Mustang, both readily available online. This will tell you how much energy is required to travel a mile at, say, 65 m.p.h. I've done those calculations and it takes more energy than is available by burning 1/137 of a gallon of ethanol. A college freshman physics class and a google search provides all the information needed.
Thermodynamics makes it worse. A Carnot heat engine operating into an ambient temperature reservoir can't achieve the mileage he claims. An internal combustion engine operating at plausible compression ratios is worse.
Finally, a typical modern fuel injected internal combustion engine typically achieves in excess of 20% efficiency in the cruise portion of its engine map.
I'm sorry, it would be sweet if it were possible but it isn't.
Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2009
Article comment by:
russell
I love Rob's comment, "A freshman college physics student can easily show that the more energy is required for the performance being claimed" (sic), well Rob, you do not take Thermodynamics till the end of your second year or the beginning of the 3rd, depending on how smart you are, so a freshman would not even have the math tools to do the calculations till they were a Jr. Rob is definitely not being honest. Since Internal Combustion Engines are not efficient things, they waste a ton of energy and make a lot of heat. I would love to look at Mr. Pelmear's car with infrared and see how much heat the car puts out. I can think of 2 things immediately that can be done with I.C.E.s that would double their fuel mileage. A 5 liter engine in a car the size of a 85 mustang should easily be able to achieve 40 mpg, if not more, if just 1/3 of the lost heat were recovered and put to work. At 15% percent efficiency a car this size can get 20mpg, a theoretical maximum should be in the range of 130mpg, that is if all energy is converted to work and no energy is lost. Big thing is he is passing that..but there may be some more tricks being done that would actually reduce engine displacement and drag in the engine. I wish I was a machinist, had the money and the time to build engines..
I pray for the best for Mr. Pelmear and his work, I would like for him to put his vision statement on the website just to see where his thinking lies. Also Rob, another thing is if you think he is a scam, why don't you call that high powered attorney he has retained and see if she thinks he is full it.
Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2009
Article comment by:
Rob
A freshman college physics student can easily show that the more energy is required for the performance being claimed than is available in the ethanol consumed. Wishing for something will not make it so.
Speaking of threats, when emailed about this physical fact, HP2g replied with a demand for no more emails and stated "first and last warning."
Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2009
Article comment by:
Jack Green
Doug keep up the work hope y9ou get lots of money to fund your work jfg
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